7 Reasons Ben Shapiro Is So Dominant In Debates


Ben shapiro is one of the most famous and skilled political debaters out there and even if you’re not into politics his arguments are fun to watch. In this video I want to explore why Ben is so talented in debates. Specifically, I’m gonna give you seven techniques that you can use no matter what side of an argument you represent, even if you’re on the wrong side Three caveats before we begin: First, I am NOT saying that Ben is right or wrong on any of these points. What I’m gonna discuss are some of the rhetorical devices he employs that can be persuasive even if they aren’t always logically foolproof. No matter where you fall in these issues, there’s a lot to be learned from Ben’s style of debate. Second, you probably don’t want to focus on debating in your interpersonal relationships because the goal of debate is quite different than the goal of most relationships. -or you’re debating somebody on a stage in which case your goal is basically to humiliate that person as badly as possible. And third, Ben obviously does quite a bit of research which is really tough to combat without figures of your own. -If you’re, if you’re richer you tend to be married longer on average people who are poor tend to get divorce Where did you get that, um, statistic? -Census Bureau Now, research is necessary but I’m more interested in the tactical side of the debate rather than the prep so I won’t go any further into it. Let’s begin then with Ben’s defensive debate tactics starting with catching non- arguments and that’s because not everything that sounds persuasive actually constitutes a valid argument. For instance, when you hear that nine out of ten fill-in-the-blanks believe something that doesn’t necessarily prove a point. That is an argument from authority and, though it might be compelling, more evidence is required to be deemed conclusive. So when people lean on authority in arguments, Ben knows to call them out on it, like in this example: We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons. That was Ronald Reagan. -Okay, so now I can disagree with Ronald Reagan. You keep front of the great right-wing presidents of modern times agreed with me -So? Another common debate tactic that maybe isn’t done on purpose and doesn’t constitute a valid argument is getting emotional, particularly when the other person gets upset or offended. Now when Piers Morgan did that, Ben wisely didn’t engage him because simply being offended doesn’t prove anything. How dare you accuse me of standing on the graves of the children that died there, how dare you. -I’ve seen you do it repeatedly, Piers. Like I say, how dare you -Well, I mean, you can keep saying that but you’ve done it repeatedly. What you do, and I’ve seen you do it on the program. The late Christopher Hitchens put this same idea rather bluntly: If someone tells me that I’ve hurt their feelings, I say: well, I’m still waiting to hear what your point is. Now you don’t necessarily need to be that abrupt, but pointing out that a point needs something beyond simple emotion in order to make it valid can make other debaters flustered and from there you can segue into the third defensive tactic that we are covering in this video, which is pushing for specifics. People often hold very broad opinions, very strongly, without necessarily being able to articulate what they mean concretely, and of course this happens on all sides of the political spectrum. So when Ben is grappling with a very broad, spanning charge, he takes the necessary first step of pushing that other person to provide specific examples. -I know what the Republican beliefs are I mean, you’re a young guy, but you certainly remember two years back when their beliefs were completely the opposite of what they are now. -But which ones, which ones? -Free trade. This is absolutely critical do not get wrapped up in defending generalized statements even if you don’t like them, because if any sort of blanket label is asserted against your position or it’s large institutions that are being branded one way or another, if you try to defend against that single phrase you are already buying into an argument You don’t understand and that would be absurd So instead, push the other person to relate exactly what they mean specifically, like in this example: We’ve been talking about. When you say institutional racism, it’s too broad. You at least have to name me the institution. Which one is the racist one? Which institution is racist? Tell me what you –like — so we can fight it– seriously– so we can fight it together Just– I want to be on your side. I do. I want to fight racists. I think race again I think racism is — I think racist — racist behaviour is evil. I want to fight it with you, but I can’t fight it if you’re not if you’re not showing me what it is Similarly and lastly on the defensive side, Ben knows his arguments inside and out so he doesn’t get sucked into defending points that his argument doesn’t require. For instance, in this next clip Ben is talking about how Trump will say outrageous things, knowing that it sets the media ablaze and his point is that Trump knows what he’s doing and he does it on purpose in order to control the news cycle Now when Don Lemon responds saying the Trump shouldn’t be doing that, Ben doesn’t bother defending the morality of his actions. He’s only talking about the purpose of them. -says some things that are outrageous like people in the media aren’t patriotic, knowing that people in the media are immediately going to turn it up to 12 on the Richter scale. But Ben, don’t you think he should be truthful in his comments even if he’s even if he’s funny and if you give them any — shouldn’t he be truthful and he wasn’t. Of course and I think that this is where the media — here’s my advice to people in the media. Now recognizing that you can and should agree at points with the person that you’re debating seems obvious but it can be especially hard to do when people insult you a general rule of thumb is that if the other person winds up attacking you you were actually winning the debate. So Ben usually doesn’t get sucked into defending his own honor and he shows a great example of that here: Paul did a hit piece and in it writer Jane Coaston says you have hollow bravery, calls your campus speeches shadowboxing and if you wanted to be genuinely brave, you’d challenge quote: Some of the wrongheaded ideas held by your right-wing fans How do you respond to that? Number one: I’ve never really attributed bravery to myself I don’t think that it’s brave to walk on a campus and talk to kids, I think it’s brave to be a member of the military. I think it’s brave to be a cop I think it’s great to be a firefighter. I don’t think it’s brave for me to walk with a security team at my side onto a stage. If I thought that I was gonna get shot and murdered, then I probably wouldn’t do it. So I don’t consider myself part of that group anyway Then wisely doesn’t bother defending his own bravery and instead sticks to the points that he knows are strongest to his argument and that takes us to Ben’s Offensive Strategies. One of the big ways that I see him stump his opponents is through the use of snuck premises. Essentially, you introduce the exact point of contention as a given and that’s through the clever use of language. Now, this isn’t to pick on Ben because we all do this from time to time. So first off, see if you can find the snuck premise in this next case: -from planned parenthood. As you may have noticed, I’m mostly against abortion. If you wanna go to Planned Parenthood and get a contraceptive, go for it. I don’t care. I do care when you start killing babies. This is a problem for me. Again, a snug premise introduces a contended point as a given. So what counts as a snug premise shifts with each position of each person involved in a debate now in the context of the abortion debate: pro-choice versus pro-life, what is the snug premise that Ben just said? Here it would be the words: “kill babies”. This entire debate hinges on the personhood of the baby/fetus and using the word baby implies personhood. So with that word, Ben is able to sneak in a premise that most of his opponents would probably disagree with but he does it in a way that they don’t notice, so they are stuck, coming to the same conclusion that he does. Here’s another example, this time in a debate over the morality of socialism communism and other economic models: -income inequality in the United States is also quite high, right? There are people who are Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos and then there’s the the local checker at your grocery store. But if the local checker your grocery store is getting richer then it seems to me they have nothing particularly to complain about in how the economy is operating. They don’t have a right to Jeff Bezos’ money They don’t have a right to Bill Gates’ money any more than Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos has a right to their money. What is the snuck premise in this case? It would be the idea that it is their money. A socialist or a communist might see the money that an owner of the means of production has, aka another rich person, as being stolen, so it wouldn’t be their money in the minds of a socialist or a communist. But when Ben assumes the idea that it is their money, he makes a point that again his opponents might find disagreeable but they won’t really know where to poke the hole, because they adopted his premise as soon as he said it. Now in my experience, most debates are won or lost on snuck premises. In concealing the steps we take to arrive at our conclusions, we can get there without the other person knowing exactly how they disagree with us, but still being stuck. So if you want to win cheaply, without having your ideas challenged, this is an excellent tactic, that is, how you can win a debate even if you’re wrong. But to the degree that you can catch yourself, you’re usually better off avoiding this and it’s usually more insightful and better for the relationship to bolster the opposition side, as we discuss in our video on Jordan Peterson, which I will link to below. Again, not to pick on Ben, just pointing this out as an example. I’m going to leave this for now and move to another effective rhetorical tool that I see from Ben. It’s moving from the abstract to the concrete, and it looks like this: I think that focusing on poverty is a good thing to do. I think focusing on income inequality is not a good thing to do because there’s no correlation between income inequality and relative rates of poverty, right, there’s tremendous income inequality in a lot of places on Planet Earth, in fact in all places on Planet Earth. If you go to Sudan, there’s gonna be a rich warlord there and then there are gonna people living on six dollars a year. This works because the specific example seems to prove the broader point that preceded it, even though a single example cannot prove a rule. It is useful shorthand for persuasion and explanation. I do this all the time with the examples that I give you in these videos- it’s very very common. And when you add an element of humor to the specific piece that you are saying it makes it even more persuasive because people can be so wrapped up in laughing, that they don’t necessarily evaluate if they disagree with the point that you made. -The people who are currently acting in a criminal fashion in the drug war aren’t going to be out acting as model citizens, as a general rule. A lot of those people are going to be committing other crimes because this has been the history of the United States: when you make a substance illegal, the people who are criminals were criminals before and they’re criminals after. Al Capone was not going to turn into a banker after prohibition ended. And the final piece for this video, at least, is that you want to emphasize the conditions under which you would agree with your opponent. What evidence would you need? Now we previously saw Ben do this with regards to institutional racism in a previous clip: -racist behavior is evil. I want to fight it with you But I can’t fight it if you’re not if you’re not showing me what it is. Here he is talking about Trump’s impeachment and the Muller investigations: [Applause] Dude, I’m happy to wait for the Muller indictments if they come down and they target Trump. I’m happy to see him impeached but I need to see evidence. Where’s the evidence? just throw it in the trash. And if he throws it in the trash or quashes the Mueller investigation then yes impeachment should be on the table. Thank you Ben. When done in good faith, this is a really admirable way to build consensus and settle a debate, but since I said that this video was gonna have elements of how to win even if you’re wrong, this can also be used as a smokescreen to make your opponent lose sight of a more effective way to win an argument and instead focus on giving you the evidence that you asked for. By the way I am NOT saying that that is what Ben is doing here. I’m just saying that when you outline the conditions of what it would take for you to reverse your position, it can work as a diversionary tactic. So, there you have it, seven reasons that Ben Shapiro is so difficult to best in the debate and seven ways that you can win even if you’re wrong.

100 Replies to “7 Reasons Ben Shapiro Is So Dominant In Debates”

  1. Author is taking a quote out of context and then says that's something that is a snuck in premise. If you listen to the whole Ben Shapiro speech then you'll see this.

  2. Great breakdown, and I love that you covered Ben Shapiro.

    I disagree slightly with the part about snuck premises. The crux of the abortion argument is supposed to be about whether that's a live human being dying but unfortunately unusually isn't in my experience, as evident by the most common arguments used on the pro-choice side:

    "It's the woman's right to decide"
    "The woman's body is affected"
    "They'll do it anyway if it's illegal, in ways more dangerous for them"
    "Kids will be born into poverty or abuse"
    "The woman may not have even chosen to conceive the kid"
    "She's not ready to be mother yet"

    None of those arguments have anything to do with whether that's a live human being dying.

    Ben and his side are accused of wanting to simply control women or oppose birth control itself and he properly puts the argument back in the frame it belongs in, clarifying the real reason people oppose abortion so that the sides of the argument are properly defined.
    If anyone is thrown off to the point of not knowing what to say when he does this, they probably haven't given much thought to the central issue of the debate.

    Also, as one commentator put it, imagine you're in charge of demolishing a house, and you've heard someone might still be inside it but you're not sure. Do you go ahead with the demolition or do you settle that question first?
    From what I've seen, most often the pro-choice side wants to simply go ahead with the demolition instead of checking the house, as if the burden of proof that there's not a human life in there rests on someone other than the demolition crew. Also, if someone is on trial for an execution-warranting offense, it's not they're obligation to prove their innocence. It's the prosecution's obligation to prove their guilt.

    I posit to you that logically the premise of the pro-life side doesn't even need to be argued (though it certainly can, and is), that it should in fact be taken for granted if you believe that the burden of proof rest with the side wanting to take a life. I posit to you that they don't have to prove the innocence and humanity of that life in the womb, a belief that indeed is already taken for granted when people want a baby, and discarded out of personal desire based on often hard circumstances, not based any kind of logical inquiry,
    That with the exception of the mother's life being as in danger as the '"fetus's," the burden of proof that that's not a live human baby actually rests with the pro-choice side.

  3. It's outrageous how the narrator calls Ben's use of the phrase "their money" as a stolen premise because a socialist might see the rich person as haven stolen the money.

  4. He isn't famous and great. Only because the media is Jewish owned and they're pushing him to be great he's nothing but a little skullcap that hates Christianity and he's not for America but all for Israel so just go to Israel and get out of here.. we want real conservative Christian men just stand up now and the women need to back these good Christian men too. By the way I could destroy him and I'm a Paleoconservative

  5. If you're in a debate you should control the conversation. You should give the questions. Try to answer as little as possible at the question of your against with. If you control the question you control the debate. If you start tolose, attack the emotions, the ego, the complexe of your "enemy". Ofcourse information is the best way to be great debater. The debate game is a war of minds, you should not have mercy. Destroy to the end.

  6. Shapiro got absolutely ruined by the BBC's Andrew Neil a few months back. I don't think his style works very well in the UK.

  7. An off topic point here but most likely by 1994 Ronald Reagan didn't even know he was Ronald Reagan anymore. So I doubt he actually signed that letter.

  8. I wish you could find better examples to make your points. When you talk about taking away someone else's money and then use the argument that a socialist or communist would argue that was not the employers money. We are not talking about a communist country, we are talking America, the IRS considers it his money, so it really doesn't matter what the socialist in this country thinks of his premise.

  9. :55. Ben: Richer people stay married longer, people who are poorer get divorced more often-Ultra left student: Where did you get that statistical tripe.-Ben: Census Bureau. Bam! Amazing how people just buy into an argument without doing the research. Ex: next time someone tells you that fossil fuels are responsible for global climate change, ask them about the hurricane of 1780 or the Great Storm of 1703. Deer in the headlights look every time.

  10. Step 1: talk fast and dont stop talking so that your opponent doesn't have a chance to talk, and if they do start talking keep talking and interrupt them.

  11. Everything he says is just garbage placed in a pyramid of deception. Looking at it carefully it can be deconstructed to basic out dated conservative talking points and defeated theories. Don't get too wrapped up in this opinionated opportunist.

  12. Ben is a spoiled, entitled rich brat who defends his Status Quo B.S. world view like he is some God elected to rule over us. Shut up Ben you talk so fast your in your next job you should become an auctioneer.

  13. I really like Ben. He needs to work on his reaction when he is proven wrong. I've seen some cases where he throws up his arms and walks out.

  14. The phrase "pro-choice" is a snuck premise. It sneaks in the idea that killing a baby in the womb is a choice like choosing to cut off a hangnail – that the baby isn't human.

  15. I got into an argument with someone because they said "ben only wins debates bevause he insults people" and the person was extremely liberal and they never use any evidence or points in general to win

  16. the reason why i like ben, and jordan peterson so much is, they make sence in a world that is trying to sell you lies

  17. You really flew through this. Forgive me for having hard time keeping up. I'll likely have to watch this video about 10 to 20 more times and then do more research to fully absorb/understand everything and then utilize it.

  18. How to win friends and influence people quote: "you can never win an argument" you make the other person feel bad no matter what.

  19. It's easier to win a debate when you don't risk anything and portion out agreements, never agreeing with someone or something as a whole, and use idealistic hypotheticals to establish where you would agree. Basically, you present an impossible context where you'd completely agree, and remain critical of everything in many ways. By never attaching yourself to something other than ideals and platitudes and specific substance, you minimize the risk of being wrong. Great for debate, but in terms of character it's rather gutless.

  20. How the hell am I only just now seeing one of your videos for the first time? This is right up my alley. Wtf YouTube algorithm..?

  21. All he does is intentionally debate people who aren't experienced in debating. God forbid he comes across an actual professional and looks bad for once.

  22. Ben Shapiro is undoubtedly very bright, clever guy. I enjoyed immensely his interaction with the vile man that is Piers Morgan. However, why does he feel the need to use underhand/intimidating tactics to win a debate? If his argument is so strong he wouldn't have to. His comment at the beginning of the video about 'humiliating ' his opponent I find quite disturbing and disgusting to stoop to such levels.

  23. He is so good because he generally sticks to the truth. Liars, deceivers and the deluded usually have trouble handling the truth.

  24. Ben Shapiro speaks so fast that I wonder how much faster he actually thinks… Must be like 200 words per second running through his brain

  25. He literally states things as they are. The reason they had no answer and were stumped by "kill babies" is because that's literally what it is. Human life begins at conception, you can be led by feelings all you want and wilfully deny basic biology and science but you're still killing a human life.

  26. Saying that "snug" premises are a cheap way to win an argument without being challenged doesn't make sense to me at all. How can you make an argument without including your premises? Anyone can challenge a premise, snug or no.

  27. A baby IS a baby you moron. Oops i guess i lost this one. American soldiers cops and firefighters will always win in this fine land. 🖒😎

  28. His mouth shoots out like a machine gun and before you have time to think and analyze what he says, he shoots out again and you got overloaded with questions and statements and you kept quiet because you haven't got enough time to digest and then he declare himself the winner not because he is correct but just quicker at vomiting out words.

  29. Instead of trying to win a debate even if you are wrong. Let's try to win a debate because we believe we are right factually of course.

  30. Shapiro doesn't win debates because of his "tactics". He wins debates because he is more informed than those he debates.

  31. I have a good answer. It's because Ben never debates highly skilled debaters. Ben would get destroyed if he tried to debate someone like Norman Finklestein on Israel. I have no hatred toward Ben he seems ok but I think he promotes more division in society than helping people society. As soon as that news anchor started asking Ben real questions he bailed he couldn't even defend himself.

  32. Bens guide to "winning" debates.

    1) Talk hella fast.
    2) interrupt people to throw them off.
    3) Plenty of logical fallacies.

    4) Intervju the intervjuer.

  33. Another video with a person of the same ethnicity referring to other Americans as THE ENEMY. It used to be that our imaginary enemies were 7000 miles away. It always starts (with our approval) over there and them migrates to here. Yes, Israel has a conspiracy to divide America. It can't be defeated with unity. They run all six media outlets, the divide has been happening since Rupert Murdoch "earned" and waited for his citizenship, by flying into D.C. in his Lear jet, signed his citizenship papers, and hopped back on his jet and went back to his Nazi hub in Australia.

  34. So in other words, if you know more, you have the upper hand. Now being confident in yourself knowing that is the key. But either way someone could know just as much as you do but you have to have really good focus.

  35. He mentions that Ben does a lot of research as if anyone who engages in debates and speaks on an issue doesn't need to do their own research…

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