Trump Satire


>>SATIRE, IT HAS BEEN A PART OF AMERICAN CULTURE SINCE THE GREAT REPUBLIC WAS FOUNDED. IN THE CURRENT CLIMATE THE POLARITY IS EVER PRESENT. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SUPPORTERS AND DETRACTORS THAT ARE BOTH EQUALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT HIM AND HIS ADMINISTRATION, A MAN WHO IS QUITE POSSIBLY THE LONGEST-RUNNING TRUMP SAT IRIST IS KURT ANDERSON. HE’S TEAMED UP WITH ALEC BALDWIN TO WRITE THE BOOK “YOU CAN’T SPELL AMERICA WITHOUT ME” AND THE PERSPECTIVE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP, AND WITH THE STAMPED-EMBOSSED COVERS ON CURRENT EVENT, FAKE NEWS, THE MEDIA, HIS TIES TO PUTIN AND SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER AND WE ARE DELIGHTED TO HAVE KURT ANDERSON JOINING US NOW WITH BOTH A SATIRICAL AND SERIOUS LOOK ON OUR TIMES.>>HAPPY TO BE HERE.>>WE MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SATIRE AND PARODY WITH REGARD TO DONALD TRUMP FOR MUCH LONGER THAN MOST PEOPLE. YOU GO BACK TO THE ’80s.>>RIGHT.>>WAS WHAT THE ORIGINAL ATTRACTION THAT YOU HAD TO HIM?>>WELL N 1986 MY PARTNER AND I WERE STARTING A MAGAZINE CALLED SPY MAGAZINE.>>ONE OF THE GREATEST, BY THE WAY.>>THANK YOU. AND DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT VERY WELL KNOWN THEN. HE WAS GETTING WELL KNOWN IN NEW YORK CITY, AND SPY WAS INVEST INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM AND MAKING FUN OF HIM AS MUCH AS WE COULD.>>WHICH YOU DID TO EVERYBODY.>>EVERYBODY WHO DESERVED IT, I WOULD SAY.>>KIND OF MEANS EVERYBODY.>>AND HE WAS JUST THIS EXTRAORDINARY CHARACTER. HE WAS THEN WHAT HE IS NOW, EXCEPT HE WASN’T PRESIDENT. HE WAS JUST THIS LITTLE GUY, 40-YEAR-OLD GUY TRYING TO MAKE BUILDINGS, BUILD BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK, BUT A BRAG AGART, A LR AND A BULLY AND ALL OF THE THINGS WE’VE COME TO KNOW AND NOT LOVE. HE WAS A REGULAR OCCURRING CHARACTER IN “SPY” AND AS WITH MANY OF OUR RECURRING CHARACTERS WE CREATED AN EPITHET TO HIM THAT WE WOULD ALWAYS TRY TO REFER TO HIM AS SHORT-FINGERED VULGARIAN DONALD TRUMP. WE’D ALSO HAD THOSE KINDS OF PHRASES ATTACHED TO PEOPLE. SHORT- SHORT-FINGERED VULGARIAN DONALD TRUMP AND IT’S AN OBSERVATION AND THE SHORT FINGERS THAT WEIRDLY CAME BACK INTO PLAY WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT WHICH WAS ASTOUNDING.>>AMONG THE ASTOUNDING THINGS WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT THE LENGTH OF HIS FINGERS BECAME A DEBATE POINT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.>>IF I’D HAD MY MOUTH FULL OF COFFEE I WOULD HAVE DONE A SPIT TAKE. WOULD YOU HAVE CHRONICLED HIM FOR DECADES.>>I STOPPED FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS, AND THEN YOU GOT BACK INTO IT.>>EACH THOUGH HE MENTIONED AND HE WOULD TOSS OUT THE IDEA OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. WOULD YOU EVER, DURING THAT TIME ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD RUN?>>NO, OF COURSE, NOT. IT WAS A RIDICULOUS IDEA THAT THIS GUY WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO JUMP THROUGH THE VARIOUS HOOPS AND GETS TO PORT AND GET A NOMINATION AND BECOME PRESIDENT. NO, THAT WAS RIDICULOUS.>>AND GET 60-SOME MILLION PEOPLE IT ON VOTE FOR HIM.>>RIGHT. WHEN “SPY” WAS AROUND IN THE LATE ’80s AND HE WOULD FLIRT WITH THAT IDEA AND WE ENCOURAGED IT AND WE DID A NATIONAL POLL, NO, LOOK, 4% OF THE PEOPLE WANT YOU TO RUN. IT WAS NOTHING, BUT GREAT MATERIAL. LET’S TALK ABOUT THE BOOK. “YOU CAN’T SPELL AMERICA WITHOUT ME” AND MY FIRST YEAR AS PRESIDENT, DONALD J. TRUMP.>>LAST OCTOBER RIGHT AT THE END OF THE CAMPAIGN, STARTED PLAYING DONALD TRUMP ON “SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE” WAS PLANNING TO DO SO THREE TIMES AND THEN HE’D BE DONE WITH THAT BECAUSE, OF COURSE, HE WASN’T BE ELECTED PRESIDENT. THEN HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT AND THEN PEOPLE RESPONDED TO HIS CARICATURE FOR THE PRESIDENT-ELECT AND A TRUMP WORD. WE’D BEEN ACQUAINTANCES AND FRIENDS AND HE CAME TO ME THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR AND HE SAID DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. I MENTIONED THIS IDEA AND HE SAID TO SOME BOOK SELLERS OF DOING A TRUMP MEMOIR AND THEY ALL APPLAUDED, LIKE, IS THIS A GOOD IDEA, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT AND I THOUGHT IT’S A GOOD IDEA AND HE THOUGHT, WILL YOU DO IT WITH ME?>>THE HUMOR IN THIS, AND PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE, THIS IS SATIRE AND HUMOR. IT’S APPARENT FROM THE BEGINNING. INSIDE THE COVER, IN YOUR BIOS ON THE BACK ALEC BALDWIN SAYS IT WAS A GREAT IDEA AND I WENT TO KURT AND SAID THIS IS A WAY FOR ME TO DO 5% OF THE WORK AND GET 50% OF THE CREDIT.>>AND HE’S BEEN GRACIOUSLY HONEST ABOUT HOW THIS COLLABORATION HAPPENED, BUT HE WAS A GREAT COLLABORATOR AND I WOULD WRITE AND SEND HIM THINGS AND HE SAID YEAH, AND HOW ABOUT THIS? AND THEN HE CAN SAY THIS. THERE’S DEFINITELY, ALEC BALDWIN LINES APLENTY IN HERE, BUT YES, I’M THE NOVELIST AND I DID MOST OF THE WRITING.>>YOU HAVE. FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, I THINK THERE ARE SUPPORTERS OF DONALD TRUMP WHO COULD READ THIS AND LAUGH ABOUT IT AND SEE IT AS HUMOR, BUT YOU HAVE CAPTURED — YOU CAPTURED HIS VOICE. HOW DID YOU DO THAT?>>AGAIN, I HAVE BEEN A STUDENT OF HIS AND FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, LISTENING TO AND READING HIS STATEMENTS, AND THEN I REALLY SPENT SOME WEEKS, A COUPLE OF WEEKS IMMERSING MYSELF IN INTERVIEWS AND HE HAS A PARTICULAR DIALECT. I CONSTRUCTED A KIND OF A PHRASE BOOK AND LEXICON FOR MYSELF OF HERE’S THE ADVERBS AND HERE IS THE WEIRD DIGRESSIONS HE DOES. LI L LEARNED THE LANGUAGE WHICH IN A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE HE IS SO TRANSPARENT WHEN HE’S GIVING INTERVIEWS AND HE SUDDENLY DIGRESSED TO SAY IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO ESSENTIALLY PROMOTE HIMSELF OR SAY HOW GREAT HE IS OR SAY HOW BAD OTHER PEOPLE ARE, ONE STARTS HAPPENEDING THE RHYTHMS OF HIS LANGUAGE AND THROUGH THAT, REALLY, I THINK, UNDERSTANDING WHAT’S GOING ON INSIDE THAT MIND.>>THE NOTION AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, POLITICAL SATIRE, EVEN IMPERSONATION HAS BEEN A PART OF OUR PRESIDENTIAL LANDSCAPE. I GO BACK TO THE DAYS OF JFK.>>YEAH.>>AND ON METER.>>ON METER.>>YOU’RE AS OLD AS I AM.>>UNFORTUNATELY, CUT SHORT BY THE TRAGIC DEATH OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY AND HIGH WAS ON THE ED SULLIVAN SHOW AND IF YOU REMEMBER COMEDY ALBUMS.>>AND THEY WERE HUGE HITS.>>RICHARD NEXTION MADE FUN OF HIMSELF APPEARING ON “LAUGH IN,” A GREAT ROGER AILES PIECE OF ADVICE, GO ON “LAUGH IN,” MR. PRESIDENT AND YOU WILL HUMANIZE YOURSELF BY MAKING FUN OF WROURZ.>>CERTAINLY BILL CLINTON AND THE IMPERSONATORS SO LIT’S PART OF THE POLITICAL TRADITION. WHAT BEING SAID, WHAT SORT OF REACTION ARE YOU SEEING, HEARING OR GETTING FROM THE TRUMP FOLKS? DO THEY RECOGNIZE THIS AS PART OF THAT?>>OTHER THAN ONE DAY WHEN ALEC AND I WERE PROMOTING THE BOOK AND HE SAID THAT HE’D HEARD AS HE HAS FROM SOMEBODY WHO WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE CLOSELY WITH THE PRESIDENT UNTIL FAIRLY RECENT THEY THAT THE FIRST LADY THAT MELANIA TRUMP WAS A BIG FAN OF ALEC’S IMPERSONATION ON “SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE,” THIS IS THE REACTION WHERE THEY CAME OUT AND SAID NO, THIS IS TOTALLY UNTRUE AND CERTAINLY NOT. SO THAT’S THE REACTION WE HAD TO THAT. OTHERWISE, IF ANY OF THEM HAD READ IT I THINK YOU WILL SEE THAT THIS COMES PERHAPS TERRIFYINGLY CLOSE TO HOW THE PRESIDENT TALKS AND THINKS.>>THE LAST FEW DAYS AND THE LAST WEEK OF STILL NUTTIER, MORE UNHINGED TWEETS, I THINK, I’VE HAD THE SENSE OF THE BOOK GETS PRETTY DARK AND STRANGE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS OF HIS TWEETS HAVE BEEN SORT OF SHOCKINGLY CLOSE TO THINGS I’VE — WE IMAGINED IN THE FICTIONAL DEPICTION.>>LIFE IMITATING ART IN MANY WAYS.>>TERRIFYINGLY, YES.>>YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER IN TWO AND A HALF MONTHS. ARE THERE MORE VOLUMES IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?>>MY BELIEF REMAINS THAT HE’LL BE PRESIDENT UNTIL JANUARY OF 2021. SO CERTAINLY, WE’LL SEE HOW TH THINGS DEVELOP AND WHAT VERSIONS OF TRUMP IN ANOTHER BOOK OR IN OTHER MEDIA WE CAN MAKE HAPPEN.>>ONCE AGAIN, OOH CALLED “YOU CAN’T SPELL AMERICA WITHOUT ME,” THE TREMENDOUS INSIGHT STORY OF MY FANTASTIC FIRST YEAR AS PRESIDENT, DONALD J. TRUMP. KURT, A PLEASURE.>>YOU TAKE

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